Comments on: Conversations with The Number 1 Apologist on Earth: The Purpose of Prayer http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/ A Piece of a Heathen's Mind in an Adherent-Infested Nation Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:56:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: The Prize http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-137 The Prize Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:32:28 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-137 He/she is simply some fundy I encountered in MIRC. His/her kind is scattered all throughout Dalnet. He/she is simply some fundy I encountered in MIRC. His/her kind is scattered all throughout Dalnet.

]]> By: @ngel rai http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-136 @ngel rai Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:30:17 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-136 hmmmm ... who's this "number one apologist on green earth" btw, if you dont mind me asking? hmmmm … who’s this “number one apologist on green earth” btw, if you dont mind me asking?

]]> By: @ngel rai http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-135 @ngel rai Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:25:05 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-135 So be it. God's will be done on heaven and earth and Jesus cried out: "Eloi, eloi, lama sabachthani?" and two thousand years have passed and the same cry is being heard from the lips of the ... forsaken. Making God's promise on Hebrews: "Never will I leave you and never will I forsake you" null and void. since the promise doesn't carry out to ALL people at all times and at all circumstances. And how could "someone" even use nEVER when there was a time he'd forsaken them eventhough it was "for an unknown reason"? So ... The molested victim is helpless under the hands of her aggressor. "innocent" sheep fall prey to their predators, etc., all because: "Everything happens for a greater, optimal good." and alot of good men have fallen martyrs to "serve god's purpose" ... Tragically, we also have no right to question his motives since: "Everything happens for a reason. What the reason is, I have no idea." which makes us sightless followers, following although we don't fully understand becos of one key ingredient ... "faith." Lolz. Every religion inspires the same concept of "faith" to their potential converts as well to give em a good hold ... o the neck? :0 these religions clones gives me the creeps ... Although you're right. “Why pray if God’s will shall be done anyway?” It would be better ask a genie in a bottle. He ... aven's wishes! ;) rai So be it.

God’s will be done on heaven and earth and Jesus cried out:

“Eloi, eloi, lama sabachthani?”

and two thousand years have passed and the same cry is being heard from the lips of the …

forsaken.

Making God’s promise on Hebrews: “Never will I leave you and never will I forsake you” null and void.

since the promise doesn’t carry out to ALL people at all times and at all circumstances.

And how could “someone” even use nEVER when there was a time he’d forsaken them eventhough it was “for an unknown reason”?

So …

The molested victim is helpless under the hands of her aggressor.

“innocent” sheep fall prey to their predators, etc., all because:

“Everything happens for a greater, optimal good.”

and alot of good men have fallen martyrs to “serve god’s purpose” …

Tragically, we also have no right to question his motives since:

“Everything happens for a reason. What the reason is, I have no idea.”

which makes us sightless followers, following although we don’t fully understand becos of one key ingredient … “faith.”

Lolz. Every religion inspires the same concept of “faith” to their potential converts as well to give em a good hold … o the neck?

:0

these religions clones gives me the creeps …

Although you’re right.

“Why pray if God’s will shall be done anyway?”

It would be better ask a genie in a bottle.

He … aven’s wishes! ;)
rai

]]> By: The Prize http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-133 The Prize Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:33:41 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-133 "<i>So that means if a mother prayed her child wouldn’t die IF that isn’t aligned to god’s will (perfect will, that is) her petitions to god would utterly be useless as they would be falling on deaf ears.</i>" God has an unknown higher reason for allowing such things to happen. God listens to every prayer. In fact, he answers them all. God basically has 3 answers to every prayer: a) Yes b) No c) Wait God is more intelligent than us humans so he is able to see things in a much broader perspective than our limited minds can ever hope to grasp. Everything happens for a reason. What the reason is, I have no idea. But this is a deduction based on the idea that God is all knowing and god is all good. Everything happens for a greater, optimal good. <i>"A hardcore fundie prays he’d get ppol INSIDE his church (which he sincerely believes is true) whereas a hardcore jwitness prays that ppol would COME OUT of that fundie’s group. One religious “apologist” prays hard to “win” the argument AGAINST what he thinks to be a christian “cult,” whereas his opponent prays his “apostate” critic would lose the debate … If you were god … how would you respond to these petitions?"</i> God will do everything according to his will. Period. It doesn't matter who prays. His will shall be done regardless. Or, if we would go to the exclusivity claptrap, he will listen only to the true(tm) Christian. So the apologist wins the day. The cult loses. As for the Pacquiao-Morales and Basketball game scenario, his will shall be done. Case closed. Which leaves us the question, "Why pray if God's will shall be done anyway?" Answer: Redefine Omniscience! (eq. Molinism) “So that means if a mother prayed her child wouldn’t die IF that isn’t aligned to god’s will (perfect will, that is) her petitions to god would utterly be useless as they would be falling on deaf ears.”

God has an unknown higher reason for allowing such things to happen. God listens to every prayer. In fact, he answers them all. God basically has 3 answers to every prayer: a) Yes b) No c) Wait

God is more intelligent than us humans so he is able to see things in a much broader perspective than our limited minds can ever hope to grasp. Everything happens for a reason. What the reason is, I have no idea. But this is a deduction based on the idea that God is all knowing and god is all good. Everything happens for a greater, optimal good.

“A hardcore fundie prays he’d get ppol INSIDE his church (which he sincerely believes is true) whereas a hardcore jwitness prays that ppol would COME OUT of that fundie’s group.

One religious “apologist” prays hard to “win” the argument AGAINST what he thinks to be a christian “cult,” whereas his opponent prays his “apostate” critic would lose the debate …

If you were god … how would you respond to these petitions?”

God will do everything according to his will. Period. It doesn’t matter who prays. His will shall be done regardless. Or, if we would go to the exclusivity claptrap, he will listen only to the true(tm) Christian. So the apologist wins the day. The cult loses. As for the Pacquiao-Morales and Basketball game scenario, his will shall be done. Case closed.

Which leaves us the question, “Why pray if God’s will shall be done anyway?” Answer: Redefine Omniscience! (eq. Molinism)

]]> By: @ngel rai http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-132 @ngel rai Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:51:21 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-132 I just wanna leave a few remarks on what the "Number 1 Apologist on Earth (said): ""I do say my request. God wants to hear our request, especially if it is align exactly with his will."" So that means if a mother prayed her child wouldn't die IF that isn't aligned to god's will (perfect will, that is) her petitions to god would utterly be useless as they would be falling on deaf ears. Or consider this: A hardcore fundie prays he'd get ppol INSIDE his church (which he sincerely believes is true) whereas a hardcore jwitness prays that ppol would COME OUT of that fundie's group. One religious "apologist" prays hard to "win" the argument AGAINST what he thinks to be a christian "cult," whereas his opponent prays his "apostate" critic would lose the debate ... If you were god ... how would you respond to these petitions? Correspondingly, two basketball teams who are members of the SAME religion, prayed in advance to win the coming tournament ... Again, the same question would be asked. Yeah, yeah ... god is great ... Speaking of which ... Did Manny Pacquiao prayed harder than Morales? or do both boxers worship a different deity? What do you think? Did Manny donated MORE to god than Eric, or is Manny a "less sinful-man" than Morales? Going further ... Who'd win in the middle east conflict? The followers of Jah or ALLAH? Guns, Gold ... and God? Whatever ... Yeah, yeah god is good ... yeah yeah yeah yeahhhhh what if god was one of us? I just wanna leave a few remarks on what the “Number 1 Apologist on Earth (said): “”I do say my request. God wants to hear our request, especially if it is align exactly with his will.”"

So that means if a mother prayed her child wouldn’t die IF that isn’t aligned to god’s will (perfect will, that is) her petitions to god would utterly be useless as they would be falling on deaf ears.

Or consider this:

A hardcore fundie prays he’d get ppol INSIDE his church (which he sincerely believes is true) whereas a hardcore jwitness prays that ppol would COME OUT of that fundie’s group.

One religious “apologist” prays hard to “win” the argument AGAINST what he thinks to be a christian “cult,” whereas his opponent prays his “apostate” critic would lose the debate …

If you were god … how would you respond to these petitions?

Correspondingly, two basketball teams who are members of the SAME religion, prayed in advance to win the coming tournament …

Again, the same question would be asked.

Yeah, yeah … god is great …

Speaking of which …

Did Manny Pacquiao prayed harder than Morales?

or do both boxers worship a different deity?

What do you think?

Did Manny donated MORE to god than Eric, or is Manny a “less sinful-man” than Morales?

Going further …

Who’d win in the middle east conflict?

The followers of Jah or ALLAH?

Guns, Gold … and God?

Whatever …

Yeah, yeah god is good … yeah yeah yeah yeahhhhh

what if god was one of us?

]]> By: Euri http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-131 Euri Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:49:53 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-131 He sounds like someone I know. He sounds like someone I know.

]]> By: Martin http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-130 Martin Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:56:00 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-130 Well, looks like SOMEONE ad hoc-ed his way to oblivion. hahaha, god. Well, looks like SOMEONE ad hoc-ed his way to oblivion.

hahaha, god.

]]> By: The Prize http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-127 The Prize Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:03:37 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-127 I guess they have better things to do than to presume to speak for God. I guess they have better things to do than to presume to speak for God.

]]> By: hastydevil http://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-124 hastydevil Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:33:14 +0000 https://theprize.wordpress.com/2006/08/07/conversations-with-the-number-1-apologist-on-the-planet-the-purpose-of-prayer/#comment-124 tsk tsk tsk. where have all the bright ones gone? tsk tsk tsk.

where have all the bright ones gone?

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